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Painted targets / missing aircraft: Way too many un-answered questions with #Benghazi.

Often, you may garner more information from the comments sections than the actual articles. Some come from those “In the know” as well.

I troll some closed boards so don’t get frustrated. I wanted to include where this information came from.

One thing certain, SEAL does not waste time painting a target unless he thinks it will be hit as it will expose his position and those batteries do not last too long.

The timelines conflict and the accounts are not working for me either. It leaves more questions than answers.

“Rather than get stuck in the traffic, the agents careen their car over the median — there is a median, a grassy median — and into the opposing traffic, and they go counter-flow until they emerge into a more lightly trafficked area and ultimately make their way to the annex.”

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Obama Did Not Deny Requests For Help In Benghazi: Aide – 

Was Benghazi Attack on U.S. Consulate an Inside Job?
“Who’s in charge? No one really knows. “That’s a million-dollar question,” admits an adviser to Deputy Prime Minister Mustafa Abushugar. Accompanied by aides, he turns and asks them who’s now formally heading the probe. Debate ensues and it is hazarded that the attorney general might be in charge.”

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CIA Rapid Response Team told to STAND DOWN 

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“An LTD (Laser Target Designator) is somewhat similar to a non-directional ground beacon (NDB) which aviators use for guidance. The NDB transmits a radio frequency signal whether aircraft are present or not. The LTD “paints” or lases a target directionally, for weapons and targeting systems (which have on-board laser acquisition devices) to identify and vector toward. As long as your LTD batteries are up, you can’t paint all day long. I hope this is helpful.”

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“Jeff is correct (about lasing without air asset) but the only reason you would do that is to determine a specific grid for indirect fire which the SEAL did not have available. You are in an active firefight against mortars and MGs; there is only one reason to cease returning fire and paint a target and it ain’t because you thought it was a good time to pull a PMCS on your f******g GLD.””

“…the QRF will go if ordered, no matter the threat. It is incumbent on the forces on the ground to realize the position they are in and understand the cost to others for their rescue and the leadership to protect those that will fly blindly into battle on honor alone. As someone who has sat in both seats, it is discussed and both sides, the commanders and those being extracted do get a vote. “

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“The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and repeatedly requested back-up support from a Specter gunship,”

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“From the retired Delta operator:

Having spent a good bit of time nursing a GLD (ground Laser Designator) in several garden spots around the world, something from the report jumped out at me.

One of the former SEALs was actively painting the target. That means that Specter WAS ON STATION! Probably an AC130U. A ground laser designator is not a briefing pointer laser. You do not “paint” a target until the weapons system/designator is synched; which means that the AC130 was on station.

Only two places could have called off the attack at that point; the WH situation command (based on POTUS direction) or AFRICOM commander based on information directly from the target area.

If the AC130 never left Sigonella (as Penetta says) that means that the Predator that was filming the whole thing was armed.

If that SEAL was actively “painting” a target; something was on station to engage! And the decision to stand down goes directly to POTUS!”

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“My son violated his orders in order to protect the lives of at least 30 people. He risked his life to be a hero. I wish that the leadership in the White House had the same moral courage that my son displayed with his life.”

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“In the end, it’s going to take declassified traffic or satcom transcipts to end the debate. Next thing you know, someone will post, “We had a package sitting on strip alert, waiting to go. They could havè inserted, achieved fire superiority, and wasted everyone of those jihadist bastards.” It’s easy to call for folks’ heads when a military response/rescue neither failed or succeeded. The same critics would have likely turned right around to criticize a headlong rush to action if the CEF had a calamity occured on insert, or an AC-130 was shot down (has Blackfive updated its reporting of a lack of AC-130 platform in the AO?)”

11/08/12

a command “in paper only”
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/…repower/print/

“A military source familiar with the eight-hour Benghazi firefight provided this timeline to The Washington Times to answer the most central question surrounding the death of Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens and three other Americans: Why did the U.S. military take no direct action to stop the two terrorists assaults? […] But on Sept. 11, AfriCom was still a command “in paper only,” as one former Bush administration official put it.

The military source told The Times, “AfriCom has very few assigned forces.”

Gen. Ham lacked what is called a commander in-extremis force, which other combatant forces have set up to respond to crises such as Benghazi. He also lacked the assets to assemble a generic quick-reaction force.

As a result, the four-star general turned to a national response force in the United States on call 24 hours a day. He worked through the European Command to tab its commander in-extremis force. This unit was conducting training in Central Europe. It had to be briefed on the mission and taken to an airfield, a process that took hours. The national and European strike forces finally arrived in Sigonella air base in Sicily on Sept. 12.

“They both had something in common,” the military source said. “When they both arrived on the 12th, the evacuation of the CIA base had already been completed.”

As the two units flew to Sicily, Gen. Ham, a combat veteran of the Iraq War, looked at other options and saw few. He had no AC-130 gunships, which can be effective in urban combat by isolating and firing on enemy targets. He also had no armed drones such as the missile-carrying Predator that can strike a gunman precisely.”

“If it’s true that GEN Ham had no In-Extremis Force, or any other response capability… then why was he even in the chain of command?”

Ouch.

“…Gen. Ham, monitoring the Sept. 11-12 attacks in Benghazi, had only one real option to intervene directly: F-16s stationed at Aviano Air Base, across the Mediterranean in Italy.”

I also failed to mention this earlier:

“Four hours later, the attack is renewed, and while the mortars aren’t “painted” with lasers, some of the attackers are — as “warnings not to fire.” Three mortar shells then hit the roof, killing Glen Doherty and Tyrone Woods.”

It is still in the Discovery process.

11-09-12 – “Defense Secretary Leon Panetta is telling Congress that the military did not have armed aircraft near Libya that could have helped defend against the Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. Consulate that killed Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans.” 

It sounds to me that ALLCON did all they had with what they had, minus an F-16.

My take, POTUS and Staff watched their friends die and there was nothing they could do about it. I remember Hillary looking devastated.

Now, more has been presented but I am under the gun with time so will post later. Still in Discovery.

04/30/13 – Special Operator who Debriefed Benghazi Responders Claims Troops Were Available

05/01/13 – Two retorts: Benghazi (II): A military analysis of the Fox mystery man’s fantasy rescue plan | The Best Defense http://ow.ly/kECU9 and Opinion: Special ops bravado hurts national security – CNN.com http://ow.ly/kED6J

 

Bottom line, they were dead before they even got there.

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